What are “ministering spirits” for?
We have already discussed the Myth we are examining that divides all streams of mind that exist in the manifested world into two fundamental groups — the so‑called “free” and “ministering” beings.
To clarify this division, let us recall that mind is traditionally named the capacity of a system to distinguish subject/object pairs within itself and in other systems, and then to “be aware” of them — that is, to establish a correspondence between the qualities of the subject and the properties of the object. In other words, mind is the capacity to identify and neutralize dualities — biners. Depending on whether a centrifugal or centripetal force predominates in a given mind, some of its streams are directed primarily toward separating biners, while others toward their neutralization.
Accordingly, “free” are the streams that are dual by nature of mind that carry out the neutralization of biners, and for that purpose are “free” to choose which pole to favor of any biner in their focus they will rely on. Naturally, such a mind also has the ability to identify a biner, but that act of separation is only a step toward subsequent neutralization. We have said that the neutralization of dualities can occur in two ways — by forming androgynes or integrals — and, accordingly, all “free” beings perform primarily creative or formative functions. Each “free” being, however, is capable of both modes of neutralization depending on its specific aims and tasks, its level of development, and the stream in which it is engaged at any given moment.
“Ministering” are the streams of mind directed toward the separation of dualities and the maintenance of their “divided” state. It is obvious that these streams cannot choose their direction and are therefore “dependent” on the existence of the duality; they cease to exist with its full integration. Depending on which way a given ministering stream flows, these beings are divided into “descending” (traditionally called “angels“) and “ascending” (known as “demons“).
Note that the “ascending” streams are potentially evolutionary in nature (and are described as “genii“), yet in practice, being deprived of the ability to generate power, they act as predators. At the point where these two streams touch, the “Limit”, or the “Threshold”, arises — mythologically called the “Heavenly Firmament” («rakia», רקיע) — which serves as the dwelling place of the “Grey Spirits”, the upper group of which are known as the “Enochian angels” (more precisely, part of the entities described in the Magic of the Interworld), and the lower as “goetic demons.”
Thus, when an integral mind interacts with an integral being, any whole object falls under the influence of four different streams of mind: its “god”, its “angel”, its “demon”, and its “Gatekeeper” (shomer, שומר). The mind that embraces the wholeness of the object, actually “knows” and “realizes” it, is its “god”; the mind that “affirms” the object, “singles it out”, is its “angel”; the mind that seeks to “return” the object to universal potentiality is its “demon”; and the mind that delineates the possibilities for the object’s interaction with others is its “Gatekeeper”. It is clear that any particular being can perform any of these functions regardless of its “original” nature. For example, a human can be a “god” for objects he seeks to know, an “angel” for others he defends and shields from destruction, a “demon” for those he intends to obliterate, and a “Gatekeeper” for those whose interactions he attempts to control.
To describe the full spectrum of possible interactions between mind and being, mythological systems construct hierarchies of “free” beings and also structure the ministering streams.
The Kabbalistic system describes the “angelic” streams as “fiery” and the “demonic” as “watery”, calling the space above the Firmament “Shamayim”, “a river of fire”, and the space beneath the Firmament “Marme”, “a sea”.
It is well known that each of these spaces is viewed as a successive layering of ten “forms”, ten “tones” of existence — Sefirot or Qliphoth respectively.
The first pair is formed by the Sefirah Keter and the Qlippa Keretial, and their corresponding hierarchies Chayot HaKodesh (“Holy Beasts”, is, the “reflective” forces of creation) and Taumiel (“Doubles of God”, is, those that destroy the “divine design”). This pair corresponds to the forces of unity and opposition in their “original” manifestation.
The second pair — Chokhmah, with its hierarchy Ofanim (“Wheels”, is, forces of motion), and Hogiel (“Obstructers”, is, forces of inertia) — introduces the principle of movement as a form of manifested existence.
The third pair — Binah, and its streams Aralim (“Powers”, is, capacities for action), and opposing them Satariel and Charaziel (“concealing” and “destroying”, is, depriving of manifestation) — introduces the principle of interconnectedness of systems, the interdependence of their components.
The fourth pair — Hesed with its spirits — Hashmalim (“Shining”, is, manifesting, providing the possibility of contact, of awareness) and their biner counterparts Gamechiot and Gah Shekela (“breaking into parts”, is, hindering the vision of the whole) — ensures the principle of hierarchy, mutual inclusion and subordination.
The fifth pair — Geburah and its spirits — Seraphim (“Burning”, is, giving “heat”, energy for motion) and opposing them Zafiel and Golahab (“Consuming”, is, turning motion toward destruction) — shapes streams of imperative subjection, compulsion, and strict regularities.
The sixth pair — Tiferet with its spirits Malachim (“Messengers”, is, ensuring the presence of the “higher” in the “lower”) and its antipodes — Zamiel and Tagaririm, Tagirion (“Fighting”, “Quarreling”, is, rejecting any “alien” presence) — ensures the synarchic nature of the cosmos, its symphonic, harmonious arrangement.
The seventh pair — Netzach with the hierarchy Elohim (“Gods”, is, internal coherence, the orderedness of systems) and opposing them Zorev Zereg (“Scattering Crows”, is, the drive toward internal contradictions and disagreements) — introduces the possibility of creative use of the energies at a system’s disposal.
The eighth pair — Hod with the spirits Bnei Elohim (“Sons of God”, is, concrete, particular manifestations of the system’s orderedness) and its opposite — Samael (“the poison of God”, is, elements that destroy the system from within) — provides the concrete manifestations of subprocesses that ensure the overall flow of the stream and the system’s general functioning.
The ninth pair — Yesod and its spirits Cherubim (“Like blossoming youth”, is, possessing active creative potentials) and opposing them Gamaliel (“The indecent ass”, is, dissipating creative potential in vain, heedlessly scattering its fertilizing force) — introduces the possibility of influence by this system upon its surroundings.
The tenth pair — Malkuth with its Ishim (“Souls”, “Humanlike”, is, ensuring concrete existence) and opposing them Nachemot (“Pleasant”, is, requiring positive reinforcement) — provides the concrete modes of existence of the system.
Thus, “ministering” spirits, in their opposition, ensure the dynamic equilibrium of a system, yet they also impede the integration of its constituent dualities. Let us again note that all of these streams can be detected at any scale of objects — from the cosmos as a whole to any closed object, or even a product of mind.
For “free” beings, including humans, and especially for Magi who place Freedom as the aim of their quests, it is very important, on the one hand, to clearly recognize the spheres of influence and the outcomes of each ministering stream’s activity, and on the other hand, not to succumb to its influence — not to lose one’s central position within the biner, not to move to either of its poles to the detriment of the other.
What to do if you realize that you live in a world of collective madness?
I have a vague feeling that the list of spirits lacks the “enemies of creation”. In the sense that Angels-Demons clearly balance each other. The gatekeepers essentially act as a “buffer” for equilibrium, providing a certain “local minimum” at the point of balance, making it somewhat stable.
But I do not see an antithesis to gods. In my view, beings that strive to destroy the universe and terminate its manifested existence fit this role. They are often classified as demons, but these beings tend to have quite different aims concerning our world.
Outdwellers (https://en.enmerkar.com/myth/ostanavlivayushhie-soznanie) are neither demons nor “anti-gods”. Just as among gods, there are destructive forces (https://en.enmerkar.com/magus-way/gnevnye-duxi), such forces also exist among Primary beings. Nevertheless, free beings are binary by nature, and thus they should not have “antipodes”, just as there should not be, say, “anti-humans” or “anti-animals”.
I understood your opinion regarding the idea that binary beings do not need antipodes.
Off-topic. Tell me, where do you categorize those “exiled” from creation? Myths are full of beings that have a noticeable interest in creation but were exiled from it for some reason. They are often demonized, although many of them carry the implication that this is simply the “opinion of the victors”.
Are they truly among outdwellers, or does the very presence of beings carrying consciousness “there” make their place of habitation not so “outside”, but rather turns it into a stronghold of creation?
In the case of “games of gods”, the victors are not just winners; they are those whose activity directs the universe in a certain flow and orders it in one way or another. Therefore, “just their opinion” is the order of things established as a result of their victory, violating which means not only opposing their “arbitrariness” but also destroying established relationships, which inevitably leads to suffering for those involved in these relationships. Thus, gods who have found themselves “overboard” in the creative process are beings whose activity generates flows that do not align with the established cosmos. Therefore, of course, they are “expelled” beyond various limits, and, in fact, they augment the ranks of Outlanders.
I’ve long noticed that angels can obstruct you and lead you astray; in this case, dimeons-guardians serve as more suitable mentors, applicable to individual consciousness.
Hello and thank you for the article.
Can I ask three questions in its context:
1) If you read the description of the activities of demons in Goetia without bias, there are almost no instances of them doing evil things. They teach, they help, etc. Rather, they can indeed be perceived as servants, helpers, or even mentors of the Magician, rather than as malefactors. Why are they considered demons?
2) Based on your article on the Enochian angel-Fomor, they are quite malicious beings regarding their goals. Why do they belong to the “upper” group in this hierarchy?
3) To which group would you classify spirits that have recently attracted the attention of Magicians: Nitika, Phagot, Mepsital, etc.? What is their nature, in your opinion?
Hello.
1) The “Lesser Key” in its “traditional” form is not a guide to metaphysics nor a textbook on psychoanalysis; it is a practical manual for establishing contact with a certain class of beings. The characteristics of the goetic demons provided there are directed solely to define these, purely practical and utilitarian, ways and objectives for interaction with them. Therefore, to study the nature of these demons and their real influence on the psycho- and macrocosm of this work is completely insufficient. It is all the same as trying to study the physiology of plants through a brief guide to agronomy. Nonetheless, personal experience of interacting with goetic spirits acquired as a result of following the techniques of the “Key” might shed light on the nature and goals of these beings.
2) Outlanders are destructive beings, but not obligate predators. Therefore, their unfriendly, and sometimes – treacherous and insidious character – is not a matter of their direct nature.
3) Spirits that trade in goods, money, etc. – are most likely also Outdwellers, but exploring their nature is also a matter of experience.
I actually have no experience evoking goetic demons, but studying the topic and meditating on their sigils produced extremely unpleasant psychic phenomena, especially upon subsequent sleep. But I had always been motivated by the experience of at least three authors who built quite warm relationships with these spirits (Lon Milo DuQuette with Orobas, Patrick Dunn with Buer, and Eric Koetting with Paimon). But now I understand that it might be, if we continue the parallel with biology, that obligate parasites are not interested in the death of their host and thus can attach themselves and even provide benefit, like symbionts. But what will the consequences be then? It’s just that these beings were perceived more as some kind of psychic programs rather than objects.
On the other hand, “new spirits” were perceived more as something human-like. I am more experienced with this. I noticed that they “work better” if during the ritual something sacrificial is used, like wine, even if other authors do not mention such necessity. This instantly reminded me of the spirits from the Vodou pantheon, who prefer sacrifices, especially alcohol, and are also very effective when approached rightly. So I initially assumed that I was dealing with elementals. For the legends state those Vodou spirits were at one time human, powerful sorcerers. But the possibility that these might all be fairies is very interesting. But what to do now…
And now it turns out that fairy Outdwellers are not obligate parasites on the psyche. Their danger doesn’t lie in them becoming ibur (or even dibuk), but in their goal of destroying everything. This means that for the manifested world, it is worse to invoke them than demons. But for the operator themselves, it’s unclear who is more dangerous? Those who seek to deceitfully and often softly oppress (goetic demons) or destroyers, with whom cooperation is possible? (The latter resembles cooperation with corresponding businessmen, who can destroy but also allow for profit.)
Oh, you mixed everyone together – fairies, Vodou spirits, elementals……… and then, look – your questions: “But what will the consequences be?”, “But what to do now…”, “But for the operator themselves, it’s not clear who is more dangerous?”……………… Do you feel fear towards incomprehensible beings?………………… It’s interesting – why are you trying to interact with these beings at all? What goal do you pursue? Do you want to plant a “seeker from the other side” as a parasite and then profit from it?……………………….. I have long noticed that people read books by some supposed authoritative authors and then get confused in classifications. But when it comes to real interactions with beings from other worlds, almost no practical benefit comes from these books and classifications………………….. All beings from other worlds that care about you ALWAYS feed on your life energy or your blood or the blood and energy of sacrifices you must bring to them to avoid spilling your own blood……..And it is incredibly difficult to throw off a being that you have nourished with your blood, believe me on this 🙂 They see and do much that a person is incapable of seeing and doing.
The question is, what Price are you willing to pay?
It seems that everything is quite chaotic for you…
Everyone has fears, but if you don’t bring them to the surface, how can you get rid of them? Books and classifications are by no means the truth, yet they are fundamentally useful because someone else’s experience, even if only theoretical, allows us to “formulate thoughts that were previously just vague feelings.” Even in this article, there is a classification mentioned…
As for why to work with these entities (if it’s so dangerous and they want energy) – here I can personally express my opinion. It’s personal because it may seem interesting to someone (a small percentage), while others might be skeptical or confused.
Any interaction, especially work and collaboration, with any beings, including humans, is an energetic process. And often a cost-intensive one. You can reduce energy consumption, but it will always be present during interactions, at least in the form of energy exchange (which includes costs for assimilating another’s energy).
Everything you’ve written about these entities wanting to take energy, being able to latch on, and then being hard to shake off – I can directly relate all of this (sometimes even more ominously) to living people with whom we have to interact even during a simple trip to the store, not to mention the necessity of working in some teams. I have long understood and decided for myself that the most dangerous beings are the people around us (well, not the high-ranking ones, of course, not the Archdemons). Therefore, sometimes it’s easier for me to work and collaborate with “otherworldly” Forces. This is determined, so to speak, by the aftertaste of the interaction. Yes, these entities do draw energy. However, everything is understood in comparison. If after communicating with people I feel completely “squeezed like a lemon,” then I would prefer to engage in a more controlled manner with other planes of existence.
I read my comment-response and I don’t want to give the impression that I am some kind of evil sociopath. This is not the case at all; I always try to behave kindly to everyone who treats me kindly. And to everyone who asks for help – I help if possible, sometimes even to my detriment. I just wanted to convey two thoughts: people are no better than spirits, and Magic is not just about summoning demons. For me, Magic is primarily a conscious and effective way of life. Since I still do not have consciousness 24 hours a day, any action in which my awareness increases – I consider magical. And during a summoning ritual, for example, awareness increases significantly, and this is useful, that’s about it. Now about the ritual. If there is a sequence of actions that leads to a specific result (I think this is a concept from A. Crowley) – then this is a ritual. For example, I receive a message about my salary. I go to an ATM, press a sequence of buttons, and lo and behold, I hold banknotes in my hands. Or, for example, I see in my astrological solar return that during this period it is very likely for me to receive money (the equivalent – I received a message). I summon the spirit Nitika (ATM) – I ask it to help me earn money. After a while, the money arrives. Of course, this is all an ideal scenario; it doesn’t always happen (the ATM may also not work all the time). So what is the difference between one and the other? Or, for example, I master kung fu or combat NLP to defend myself and persuade – this is not Magic, and that is good? And if I send an illusion to an enemy – is this Magic and very bad? In my opinion, both are Magic. One could even say that both are bad. But I would like everyone in the world to be fluffy and white, but that’s not the case. I tried to be fluffy and white for half my life, and only endured grievances. Of course, one can go to a monastery for meditation to escape the need to bounce between the banners of good and evil. I want that too, but I have relatives under my care; the Laws of the Family have not been canceled. Another point – Magic for me is a more effective activity. For example, a businessman with whom I agreed on the production of my development does not want to give me money. He says he will hire a killer if I persist. This is his Magic! His way of acting. Why isn’t this Magic? I can, of course, sue him, but in our countries, this is not effective. I will summon a demon who will force him to give me what is due. Why not? It would just be more effective. Of course, I will first try all the more peaceful methods. But this is not the essence; the essence is that in the end, everyone uses their Magic. They use what they have and can. Someone has connections in the government, while someone else has connections in the otherworldly realm. That’s all. Another point regarding the analogy of a ritual for money. You might say that Nitika takes energy and sends it to some archdemon. That is, in the end, it’s feeding the archdemon. But if I tell you that what you work for and pay for your life (working and buying goods) – ultimately, might enrich some Rothschild. What makes the archdemon worse than Rothschild? Just because the latter is a human (and even that is not a fact)? Why is a person better than a demon if they behave like a demon? So now are we all really going to go to the village for subsistence farming? Thank you all for your attention.
Exploring their nature?
Some of the First People are currently existing Archdemons and Archangels.
Their nature is such due to their changes over time, acquiring certain properties as a result of survival.
Hello. I had a dream where a house started to burn in different places. I was putting it out, and then it ignited somewhere else. I was looking for where else it was burning to put it out. Then a wall caught fire, and between the walls… a demon with burning eyes appeared. I splashed water on him, and he went in the other direction… I got scared and woke up. In the room, there was a localized smell of burnt things. Nowhere else. I checked the time – it was 3:34. After such a jolt, I couldn’t sleep. I went online. On one website, there are similar cases; people are also complaining about the smell of burning. And the time is roughly the same. It’s some kind of nonsense…
A house usually represents you or, in a general sense, your life. For example, when someone tries to open a door in a dream, it is as if in life, someone wants communication or more intimate interaction with you. Building a house or some kind of renovation signifies changes in your way of life. Such global changes will radically alter something in your perception of the world. From personal experience…
Your opinion is interesting. Thank you.
…………………………You can distance yourself from people, no matter who they are, but is it possible to distance yourself from the foreign consciousness in your own mind?
If there is a problem with energy exchange with people, it needs to be addressed, rather than replacing communication with people with communication with demons. Although, of course, you may have a different opinion on this.
Regarding control……………….Control may be an illusion, a lure to lower your vigilance.
The foreign consciousness in your head is a powerful test. If a person has a weak will, unresolved childhood psychological traumas lurking deep in the subconscious, and if a person does not know themselves well, the Foreign Consciousness will definitely find all these hooks and use them.
The Foreign Consciousness, like an experienced hypnotist, can easily subjugate the body with a couple of right phrases………………………We do not know how strong our will is until we test it 🙂
Beings from other worlds cannot remain where they have nothing to latch onto. “Warm relationships” with a demon arise from resonance. Figuratively speaking, the demon inside attracts the demon outside…………….
I also thank you for your opinion. Of course, the problem of energy exchange with people needs to be addressed. But this is more like psychotherapy (although this is just a term; this is also Magic, in my opinion, if it is effective and increases awareness); if you are interested, I work on the INP 2.0 system of S.V. Kovalev. It is not possible to immediately distance oneself from all people if you are in a large business project, and the well-being of your subordinates depends on you. Nevertheless, there are techniques for such distancing and for the necessity of contact… Regarding the “foreign consciousness in the head” and “illusions of control” – one can only say that Magic is not for everyone. I will quote Enmerkar: “Magic should be practiced not by those who can practice it, but by those who cannot not practice it.” So, Magic is a risk. Not everyone should just leap into it… (Just a small remark: however, there are methods in Magic for both control and protection, and even for expelling entities “from the head and other parts of the body), but of course no method will give 100% guarantees). And lastly, again purely my opinion – deep exploration of one’s Natal Chart is helpful. What is possible (with caveats) and what is not (not recommended). For example, I have almost all planets in the 8th house; even if I wanted not to deal with the otherworldly – I wouldn’t be able to). Thank you again for the conversation. All the best!
And the very last thing (if, I hope, there won’t be any questions) that I want to write. I just understand that this blog is read by many beginner magicians. Including those who have not yet studied all the articles here. I don’t want to lead anyone astray with my ideas. The most important thing is to understand that everything has its price! Both interaction with people and interaction with spirits. Therefore, here are two links to articles that should be read and reread: https://enmerkar.com/en/way/not-to-be-a-demon and especially in the context of the raised topic https://en.enmerkar.com/magus-way/uchitelya-torgovcy-i-vory. In reality, I do not often resort to the help of spirits. I am no longer talking about demons. Spirits are simply a more powerful and directed mechanism of influence, but the price for their services is much more significant. Therefore, there should be no frivolity or delusion in this regard. If you decide to pay the price – you must understand that you will be paying and embrace this scheme as consciously as possible, understanding what you choose and why. This is already personal and not discussed in comments. I have summoned and paid the price and have seen how others have paid the price. Believe me, it was scary… Only the desire to receive what the world does not provide voluntarily and the realization that other paths are closed for obtaining what is desired – made me move. But the price will have to be paid sooner or later. Everyone chooses for themselves, but one must not be deluded that everything will be easy and pleasant. Although the most important thing is Luck. Well, now – much is already in the past. I am becoming a professional astrologer to help people look into the future and make the right decisions.
Here, in this blog, Enmerkar has repeatedly mentioned that Goetia is one of the ways to develop consciousness, to know oneself in the confrontation with demons, and not a way to earn money or attract material goods with the help of demons. The world of magic and the ordinary society rely on different systems of descriptions, values. A person who has embarked on the path of magic has to, like all people, pay for products, clothing, medicines, services, and utilities. To go to work in order to earn these very money. A colossal amount of time and attention is spent on this. An environment of communication, thoughts, and desires of people is formed, revolving around monetary issues, and Magic gradually becomes something like an elective course, an addition to a business project, a hobby, or another way to make money. And here, one cannot blame the person. After all, no one transitions to subsistence farming 🙂 You want to eat, and people to care for, children, families… The problem lies in the impossibility of instantly switching to other Action Images, in the impossibility of forming two parallel self-sufficient Pictures of the World that actually exist. Therefore, the attempt to truly live simultaneously in society and in the magical world is doomed to fail. The worlds mix. Magicians try to interact with beings from other worlds in order to solve problems in the human world. …no matter how attractive business projects are, which initially seem like free creativity… over time all of them get covered with some workshop dust, become encrusted with problems with documents, personnel, competitors, market struggles, and a person is sucked into social routine… And the idea that Magic is a way to live effectively and consciously – I think many regular readers of this blog carry in their “magical sack,” although just how effectively we live and how to measure this effectiveness is hardly known to anyone. In my view, it is important to create an environment, a circle of communication, interactions between people that give everyone the opportunity for inspiring and continuous growth of awareness. It’s not about a line or a school, but rather an organic union of individual consciousnesses. And the material component in the context of what has been said plays a significant role in the life of a Magician. I believe that a Mage’s business differs from human business in at least the high awareness of the Mage himself. But to form another business in a social environment is like being a white swan in a livestock yard. Either pretend (as they say – to live with wolves, howl like a wolf) or separate. However, magicians are individualists and each has their inner contradictions. Therefore, not all ideas are feasible. _ …I went to the mountain today, enjoyed the sunny day, the forest, clean air, and solitude… and as I was returning, I walked past a pen where a little horse was grazing. She saw me coming and gave a voice, then came up to the fence and allowed me to pet her. And this too is Magic… Magic of nature…
So it turns out we don’t even have a discussion between us)) I see this problem in exactly the same way. I have long understood that the main problem is the blending of worlds. When I was still studying the subject of “out-of-body experiences,” I remember there was an idea to gradually pull the astral, with its beneficial plasticity and manageability, into our real world, and to transfer aspects of the real world into the astral. An amazing task, at first glance. Then I suddenly realized that this means – introducing the Interworld (and probably its inhabitants) into our stable world, while taking energy from our world and sending it into the Interworld. And it seems that Enmerkar wrote that this is not good. So essentially, this is the idea of Babylon! Therefore I am certainly being disingenuous by saying that it is the same to call upon spirits for help or to call upon the state’s authoritative structures, depending on who has which connections. According to legend, the Higher Gods stand against Babylon. And it turns out there is the first Path – to obey these Higher Gods. Well, if you are not given by nature (astrology) wealth and kinship, then accept it, pray, and develop. Perhaps the Gods will have mercy looking at your patience and constant development. This resembles the Right-Hand Path. The second Path is to snatch what you desire no matter what, at any cost. The main thing is boosting individuality. The Goal and primary method is Babylon. This resembles the Left-Hand Path. And, seemingly, there is a third Path – integration without blending – Pleroma. But this is the Path of “walking the knife edge” and one must look for the methodology…
(Thank you, Enmerkar, for the opportunity to speak here and about personal matters). I initially walked along the first Path. This one is the simplest and the most complex. Simple – if it is easy for you to endure, to be patient, to love everyone and not to worry about the absence of personal control over your life. Everything is God’s will. Then I got onto the second Path. One girl mage rejected me, but the second girl mage came into my life. She saw Power in me and wanted me to practice black magic for her; but I also wanted a lot and did not mind. I still sometimes remember how good we had it then, we rode in limousines, but nothing lasts forever. Each of us paid our price. Now we are not together. Sometimes I still drink and cry about why things that good could not last forever, why the gods are so cruel… Now I’m examining the third Path. I even started collecting information on various Buddhist directions. Although there is much about this here in the blog too. But here there are no specific methods, but there is the most important thing – it’s basically like a system of indicators for checking specific methods against this Path.
“When I was still studying the topic of ‘out-of-body experiences,’ I remember there was an idea to gradually pull the astral, with its beneficial plasticity and manageability, into our real world, and to transfer aspects of the real world into the astral. An amazing task, at first glance. Then I suddenly realized that this means – introducing the Interworld (and probably its inhabitants) into our stable world, while taking energy from our world and sending it into the Interworld. And it seems that Enmerkar wrote that this is not good.” I don’t recall where this was. From myself: What is called “astral” here is the natural environment for living beings. And this material world with its separateness and the natural environment is not so. So, your idea about transferring the astral here is completely legitimate and logical. (And in fact, that should happen under normal circumstances.) And this idea can be quite successful if approached correctly. Except that – you need to determine what exactly you will bring here and for what purposes. And thus, the astral perfectly overlays the material world. Although it overlays in parallel.
“In my opinion, it is important to create an environment, a circle of communication, interactions between people that give everyone the opportunity for inspiring and continuous growth of awareness.” All growth of consciousness/awareness in this material world relies on the ability of the material world to provide the acting person with interesting actions and engaging experiences. Currently, this task remains unsolved. The circle of communication must be related to real actions in the real world. Otherwise, everyone either goes into their own world, or into their fantasies, or into virtual spaces, or into less pleasant places)…
Hello! Excuse me, Theo, I don’t quite understand why astral should be overlaid somewhere and how that is even possible). In magical vernacular, the astral signifies the realm of energies. You ‘release’ your consciousness from your body and voila… You are in the world of structures, energies, and energetic beings. Simply when your consciousness is in the body you are tied to a certain vision of energies by a certain matrix of perceiving objects with your consciousness. Overlapping the astral onto reality sounds just like overlaying another version of yourself… I really don’t know how to explain it)) Essentially, the “astral” is our world, but freed from the constraints of matrix forms.
An opinion was expressed about the illegitimacy of transferring the astral into the real world – a statement arose about its legitimacy. ——– In other respects, you have said it all. If the question is: why overlay something somewhere? Why attempt to experience the astral and one’s own energies/images in the real world? The answer is: because that’s normal.)
To Maxim: You are kind and open. I don’t know how you got involved in black magic. Maybe it was due to love or desires……………………..but I didn’t have a choice. I inherited my gifts. And those people who wronged me died or carry scars that will never let them forget about me. But I did not take the path of a necromancer and do not engage in black magic because that is not my path. They are foreign to my heart………………however, no one can rid themselves of the Gifts inherited, from their lineage. I see beings parasitizing on people and I see the consequences of symbiosis and infestation because I Have Lived On The Edge all my life. And often all these interactions have monstrous unavoidable consequences for the operator themselves and for those unfortunate enough to live with him under one roof. The energies I interact with are natural for me – but for those around me at the moment of interaction – they are destructive and fatal……………… for we do not choose Magic – Magic chooses us…….. _ I am interested in your thoughts on Integration Without Blending, but in this topic, it is a total off-topic 🙂 ……so if you allow, I will put not a period in our communication, but a comma… perhaps favorable circumstances for interesting communication will arise again.